freight dogs fly to some airports that are questionable at best with shaky non precision step down approaches with no glideslope. A loss of power, icing, or other emergency situation is definitely possible. Carrying that angle across the river and over to the factory she should have been approximately 230 feet above the ground and 160 feet above those stacks. The case of the young flight school instructor who got bashed against his Cherokee panel comes to mind. kobe bryant s helicopter flew in fog that grounded other. If she was at MDA at that moment, then the average descent angle from VMC to tower is close to 9 degrees. Personal attacks and hate speech directed at the NTSB investigators, FAA investigators, Designated Pilot Examiners, Kathryn, as well as other members of the aviation blog, are unacceptable because they are not constructive. Better yet, how about a test of your instrument skill set with added emergencies? Strange things happen when you get tired. Can't imagine why this approach is even published. But if the temperature is warm (roughly 0C to -5C), wet snow mixed with liquid water could to stick to your airplane.Dec 11, 2021Frost disrupts the smooth flow of wind over the wing causing reduced lift. There are videos of the entire accident sequence, still baffling how one of them died. The 3.75 degrees shown on the approach plate is the descent angle from the FAF to the TCH. Witnesses on the ground said the plane's wings came off mid-air in high winds before a shower of debris fell from the sky. Sorry about the un-closed bold run-on. It shows the end of RWY20 as 4143' at the threshold, and 4160' on the ground beside the potato plant. Agree that the silos and chimney were not a factor; I did a Google maps street view and nothing is very high on that property. It's likely the effect of the plume is fairly localized, much like wake turbulence. BTW BOTH pilots on the above A300 reported the runway in sight - when it was hidden by a hill. "If you knew how an ASOS worked, you'd know it wasn't anything to do with being in IMC. Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred . The altitudes Flightaware shows are the uncorrected pressure altitudes reported by the aircraft's ADS-B transmitter. Snow was observed falling. A pilot can do a CDFA to the VDP, or "dive and drive" to the self-calculated VDP, either is legal, OK. 1. Apparently the mail must get through, despite the automated voice telling you "Minimums" and you don't have the runway. (Lateral integrity of 0.3 nm. )Here are those two points, with map-pinned locations, measured distance between them and difference in raw reported altitude:Data and mapping at the edge of the Gem building:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Call this Data Point "A" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5520+-113.7592Data and mapping at 21 seconds and 2,650 feet horizontal distance before reaching the Gem building's edge and 300 feet higher:Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 216 81 93 4,450 -750Call this Data Point "B" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5578+-113.7532Determine angle using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 2,650 feetFlown descent angle between final two data points = -6.5Now, repeat the calculation from JAMID to "B":First, find JAMID coordinates from FAA database:JAMID location coordinates: 42-33-59.2100N 113-44-39.3500WJAMID location converted to decimal: 42.566447, -113.744264Map pin the location of JAMID:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.566447+-113.744264Choose nearest ADS-B data point to JAMID from FA track log:Wed 10:31:37 AM 42.5669 -113.7437 216 103 119 4,750 -663Call this Data point "C" and google map it:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5669+-113.7437(JAMID's location maps about 200 feet SWest of this data point)N928JP's location at JAMID includes an uncorrected altitude of 4,750 feet, 300 feet higher than and 4,166 feet horizontally distant from the Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 data point "B".Determine angle from JAMID to "B" using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 4,166 feetFlown descent angle between JAMID and point "B" = -4.1Everybody understands that ADS-B can be terribly inaccurate, but when you add the expected +50' pressure correction to the 4,750' reported at JAMID, the data suggests that the pilot appears to be "on" at JAMID. Discussion has returned to "the pilot was willfully continuing far below MDA of 4560 and couldn't see". Weather, 20 minutes before incident, was 1 mile, light snow, broken at 2300, overcast at 2800. https://gemairflights.com/. As any pilot knows, the altitudes reported by FlightAware are uncorrected pressure altitudes and do not reflect the corrected indicated barometric altitude that pilots reference for assigned altitudes, MDA, etc. So the potato plant has their own fan club that is going to come to their defense if they get blamed for this crash? I can attest to having my aircraft rocked by turbulence simply from the warm air currents gently rising from a dark field, so I have no doubt that a concentrated column of moist hot air being spewed out of a row of smokestacks could have a very serious effect on a light aircraft. It is possible to calculate the as-flown descent angle that the aircraft experienced between the final two full ADS-B data points and see if it was 3, 3.75 or something else using rise run to angle conversion. Kathryn's Report (kathrynsreport.com) Kathryn's Report: This Aviation Blog Is Permanently Open (kathrynsreport.com) Edit, as Eman said, "permanently closed for a little while" , the entry now says permanently open. With airlines short of pilots, why was this 30 year old college grad "COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 1/3/2020" flying UPS 208 Grand Caravans? You can use the controls at the top to stop at 14:31:00 and have a look:http://weather.rap.ucar.edu/radar/displayRad.php?icao=KSFX&prod=CREF&bkgr=color&endDate=20220413&endTime=15&duration=1(Link will show that look-back until seven days from 4/13, so copy images before they are no longer accessible if of interest.). first opened in 1940, and publicly-owned by the CITY OF BURLEY, ID. First, it is sad that we lost such a wonderful young lady who had nothing but love in her heart and who served others selflessly. After the pilot report established at IREME, the controller cleared the pilot for the approach. There was a small plane crash in North Carolina on June 16, 2022. You're missing his point entirely. Wasn't at night. The view under the wing would give you about a mile as reported at the airport. Here are those METARs:KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997 --- crash occurred @ 14:32 Z ---KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997In spite of those reports, the pilot's reputation is being maligned with the "intentionally busted minimums" assertion. pilots of america. We keep killing ourselves for mostly the same reasons. I totally agree with you. The location where the witness was viewing from is a significant factor for interpreting what is reported as seen. Information is only available from news, social media or unofficial sources. Their airplane was fully intact like this one.Here is a quote from that report:"The FAA published Seat Belts and Shoulder Harnesses, Smart Protection for Small Airplanes (AM-400-90/2). In lieu of flowers, the Infanger family is welcoming donations for a scholarship fund in Brittneys honor. Source:https://trellis.law/judge/rex.h.minterAirmen registry shows he and Doris BOTH having Commercial Pilot and Mechanic A&P certs, ASEL, Instrument (plus AMEL for him), his last third class med exam 1998, hers 2013. Tater plant has more political clout and money then a city owned airport. Regardless of the precise reasons for her own accident, the FAA, Burley Airfield authority, and the board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" have very serious questions to answer. The 200 nm flight was to be VFR, no flight plan, at 5,500 feet. Also the color of the building itself? So you can't put much stock in the shown FlightAware track log data being that accurate.2. Sunrise was 6:56. "The obstacle she hit was less than half a mile from the runway and at or below 100 AGL"Correct. And if your flight path elevation there is correct (not saying it isn't), 4,365 is below the MDA of 4,560 so all pilots would have visual conditions before reaching it by simply following the MDA protocol.Here is the record for the stack she hit, obstruction #16-036731.16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285Full stack record discussion showing the source data origin, how to decode the obstacle record and a position verification to be certain of the correct match by mapping the 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W location is already posted up thread. sadly, we'll never know what she was seeing or thinking in those final moments. You are on your own to figure out an appropriate descent angle to keep you clear of the numerous hazardous obstacles on final. She had a special gift for making everyone she met feel important, and her smile lit up every room. Accident Investigation report not yet completed, but information verified through authorities or other sources. @Cmor - Using 1 mile visibility was incorrect in your reply to that commenter.The 14:25Z AWOS report of 1 1/2SM visibility is displaced 5,260 feet toward the aircraft by the time the aircraft came into view of the camera at Gem more than 7 minutes later at 14:32:25 if you are applying the 7 knot wind as positional displacement downwind based on time elapsed after individual AWOS condition reports.1425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028AWOS shows 1SM, 1 1/2SM, 2SM visibility progression:KBYI 131420Z AUTO 20007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC026 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997. The obstruction database tolerance codes need to be audited in every record to see if declared accuracy limits are being applied to obstructions in approach and departure surface profiles or just the nominal stated elevations are being used.For convenience, here is the decoder link again, with info on decoding the data record starting on the readme pdf's page 5:https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/digital_products/dof/media/DOF_README_09-03-2019.pdf. This seems to fall into the category of :"stuff happens.". "I have tried to comprehend the possible reasons for a Caravan to be flying below 90 knots and descending close to 900 feet per minute (per ADS-B/FlightAware) dangerously below the published Minimum Descent Altitude"You might want to comprehend this:1. He survived but required a series of reconstructive surgeries.He had flown in shoulder harness equipped aircraft but the Cherokee he was using for his own startup flight school was just lap belts:https://www.chieftain.com/story/news/disaster/2020/02/06/pilot-instructor-faces-tough-recovery/1738143007/http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020/02/piper-pa-28-150-cherokee-c-n5969w-fatal.html. Let me throw mine out there if I may:The simplest, a descent to MDA that was not arrested. I have never heard of a Caravan having enough turbulence to unport the fuel and cause a flameout.Thoughts? There is no RWY 30 at KBYI. Yes,you are right, I did a copy and paste and wanted to refresh myself on comments on icing perhaps being a factor which I didn't know could happen in light snow. The entire left wing leading edge from tip to the square-cornered root is unblemished when you look at the 00:07 to 00:12 second close-up view in the Kameraone scene video. Delete. In this case, you have an unconventional approach angle, no vertical guidance, no VASI, no PAPI. I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. Sorry, but that's insane.You can pull data all day long from flight records and try to figure out why she did what she did, but the fact remains that a published non-precision LNAV approach that misses a smokestack by 61' is unacceptable. Steam has water vapor and is warm so it provides significantly less lift. Thanks for posting that CVR transcript. Verifying that it is the correct stack by mapping the stack coordinates is somewhat of a leap of faith.Let's now work from the 79' and 89' clearances we got from adjusting your calcs by pretending that the nominal FAA elevation numbers were accurate. So, again, false. An Airmens Meteorological Information (AIRMET) advisory was active for icing and mountain obscurations for areas that included BYI.By the way, the automated weather facility at KBYI is an ASOS, not AWOS. He later served as city attorney for Arcadia and a judge for the Los Angeles County Superior Court. The controller then approved a change to BYI advisory frequency. This mishap shows that regardless of who you are, physics and gravity and speed of impact are no respecter of persons. The airport instrumentation tells a story regarding what is happening at the airport. Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred December 29 . The information contained in this record should be the most current Airworthiness information available in the historical aircraft record. Harrowing video captured the moment a small plane crashed into a neighborhood near a California high school . Both wings, the propeller assembly, belly pod, and the nose wheel separated from the fuselage. Since the pilot was already below the MDA in IMC, the combination of snow, cloud, the steam plume, low flight altitude (75 agl), did not allow her to see and avoid the tower.A review of air traffic control (ATC) communication with the pilot revealed the approach controller issued the pilot the current altimeter setting and verified that the pilot had the current weather and notices to airmen reports for BYI. A special automated weather report for BYI about the time of the accident reported 1 mile visibility in light snow and mist Video footage recovered from a security camera located on a processing plant revealed a view of the rooftop of the processing plant, along with a smokestack supported by steel framework on the roof. The cause of the crash was disputed: a US investigation concluded that it was an act of murder-suicide by the captain; however, the Indonesian investigators were undetermined. One Way Charter Flight Pricing and Costs evoJets. Hi, thanks for the info and the link. Assuming the aircraft is indicating 7000 on the altimeter, when she went missed and flew the published missed approach, she was 50 feet lower than expected. Close up photos clearly show that the tall stack with the yellow ladder was hit. 0. Too bad comments on here are closed for that accident. Succinct. )Investigators have the task of figuring out why the descent angle increased to 6.5 in the final 21 seconds/2,650 feet horizontal travel distance of flight. One correction for your analysis: The elevation of the stack she hit is 4256' MSL in the FAA's obstacle database.Using your calculation of the flight path elevation at the stack, applying the FAA's verified stack elevation revises your math to: 4,365' - 4,256' = 109'.The top of the stack is 109' below the flight path. Or maybe the pilot went around on the first pass *because* they were carrying too much speed. Amazingly, the flight could have succeeded all things else considered.The onus would appear to be on the plant and surrounding politics in this instance. Maybe Burley and the state of ID can get a 90% grant to build new from feds $3 billion in new funds for airports under Prez Biden and the Dem's passed infrastructure law. Robert Ray Goins was pronounced dead at the scene while Nathaniel T. Farris was seriously injured and transported to an area hospital for medical treatment after the vehicles they were driving collided just . At that point, runway or runway lighting were visible but not necessarily the thin grey stack in between. Oh BTW no head trauma whatsoever. That sounds like either icing or engine failure or both to me. she didn't fly into the stack, the steam cloud sucked her right into it by taking all her lift away. The accident happened at sunrise and coincided with rush hour. She received her private flying license in high school. At some time before noon on August 7, 2020, a Turbo Cessna 210 took off from Roosevelt, Utah, for a fair-weather daytime flight. Surprised to see videos in the docket by astonished onlookers in disbelief that there would be a takeoff.Sometimes KR will re-post when new info comes out. The billowing clouds suddenly blind you, and the aircraft loses lift at the worst possible time. "You're aware that the passenger who died was 95 years old (born in 1927). About 0832:25, the airplane came into view in a wings-level, nose-high descent. If the pilot could see to descend below MDA, you they think they would see the building , the tower, and or the parking lot beyond the building, so I conclude she didn't see it, due to either white out conditions or head in the cockpit, (which is absolutely normal on an instrument approach). METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. The A/FD mentions the threshold is displayed 305 feet due to the stack. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. 1, 1, 1 1/2, 2 statute mile visibility was not previously discussed in comments.) The Cessna 421 plane crash was just after 11 am local time this morning. "It's not a minimums bust if you have any of the required runway elements in sight before you descend. The MDA is no longer applicable once you have the airport in sight. and should have gone around or made sure the diamonds were centered.https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI/tracklogBoth of those approaches aren't as stabilized so my guess is that she was experiencing a lot of turbulence though the winds were fairly light (8kts) and practically straight down the runway (190). Yes, the pilot descended below minimums but she did so because she had the runway in sight, which is NOT a minimums "bust". This is typical and one of the worst aspects of this community. Reply. 24 much safer and longer runway which I feel more comfortable with. and both pilots followed provided vertical guidance as required for Part 121 aircraft even if the procedure results in a visual approach? It's true that 109' separation isn't a lot, but the outdated overhead view of the stack that google maps shows tends to make commenters here miss the red steel base structure and sampler's work platform at the very top in the more recent street view images. ^ You are making too much of a simple accident. LOL Whatever the case, it's clear from the NTSB report that the mob that was fixated on "busted minimums" was wrong. inscripciones ceprunsa 2023. mapa aduanero de venezuela; humedales de la costa central del per; nissan repblica dominicana; inscripciones ceprunsa 2023 no lift in warm/wet steam. Piper PA 31 Navajo Wikipedia FedEx FedEx Express Introduces New Feeder Aircraft May 14th, 2018 - Modernization of feeder fleet continues with Cessna SkyCourier 408 designed . With such small margins, even little differences count. Applying the full +50 feet of declared tolerance to 100' AGL and 4,256' MSL takes 50 feet out of the 79' and 89' foot clearance numbers leaving pass-over clearances of just 13 and 23 feet.What a can of worms. "Calculations of how much mass of water vapor was being delivered by the stacks and mixed into the air above the plant, with diffusion, spread and distance of the effect from the point of emission weren't in the preliminary. Anonymous said "On a 3 degree glidpath to LPV minimums you are 54 feet above the normal threshold. "If you are focused on approaching a short runway, there is no VSGI to guide you on the required steep non-standard descent angle, it can be easy to miss the grey colored obstacles that don't stand out. We are all guessing. Made a first approach over the known obstacles that revealed the circumstances of what is being portrayed as dangerous wall of steam but didn't divert after going missed from the first approach. There were three people on board who sustained injuries in the crash. What if the circumstances were such that might have overwhelmed any level of experience?Been there, done just about all the above. There are many approaches just as challenging, that's why you respect the MDA and you do not descend unless the runway is in sight. Ever heard of a displaced threshold? For whatever reason, she was below MDA, and I'm guessing they'll find fuel starvation. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia The stack would not have been hit had the pilot not busted minimums and gone below the MDA. This map-pin location is Gossner's Elevators:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.54918+-113.76041Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/2hJ8XhWHUTENBvEa8Here are all of the HEYBURN obstacles of the 16-ID.dat obstacle database file, with map-pin and street view images after converting HH:MM:SS.SS GPS coordinates to decimal:That 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant is:16-022120 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 31.30N 113 44 53.73W TOWER 1 00140 04291 N 1 D N 2020ANM06806OE C 2021126maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.558694+-113.748258#16-036731 is the crashed into stack, as already noted.#16-036732 thru 16-036737 are 100', 4256' MSL Gem stacks:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.551047+-113.760189And this 37' high tank is by the tracks at 7th Ave:16-036750 O US ID HEYBURN 42 32 58.11N 113 45 47.84W TANK 1 00037 04187 R 4 D P 2017ANM00600OE C 2018029 maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.549475+-113.763289Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zMVhwxePeR5Em32J7Elevators 124' high, NorthEast of Gem:16-000258 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 17.33N 113 45 16.64W ELEVATOR 1 00124 04282 R 1 A N 0076_NW00104OE C 2013291maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.554814+-113.754622Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zRAEzTUpo3y2PpmJ6But these across the tracks are not in the database:https://goo.gl/maps/1ZD8aeGhy2Y1CsdEAAnd this tower, Google maps doesn't show:16-051497 U US ID HEYBURN 42 32 27.89N 113 45 01.48W TOWER 1 00125 04279 N 4 D N 2019ANM02334OE A 2020084maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.541081+-113.750411. 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