Not only, but Sunday morning worship service public proclamation is the churchs most visible act. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. Why are we so downright stupid? I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. He was preaching at this annual thing called The Northern Mens Convention in Manchester although I dont know what the subject was. Maybe not. most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Was Peter a pastor to these souls or just a talking head? They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. and to piggy back.. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions.. not b/c God loves u.. not b/c God wants to spend eternity w/ u.. etc. I called the church to make the funeral arrangements and notify the pastor. I think that is part of a church being well run, in a way. All believers have access to Jesus, scripture, and the power of the Holy Spirit. Our church is currently seeking a new pastor and articles like this are extremely useful to help us figure out what is/isnt a pastor! You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? Nor do they ever get any deeper. It certainly wasn't dealing with parents extreme mental illness for 30 years, health problems of both sets of departed parents raising my sister when we had a new baby and the teenage junk she put us thu, it certainly wasn't when my husband lost the use of arm to a accident and spent a year at p.t , it certainly wasn't when my accident caused me a bum leg and I still do my housework dragging it around. Mohler and Company: The tweets from these guys add an extra dimension to the posts at TWW. I am saddened that you have heard nothing new from the pulpit in years. David Platt states that he spends 20-25 hours preparing for one sermon. Nothing compares to knowing Him! Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Just where can you find all these multitalented people who are biblical scholars who can do all their own research, have a commanding ability at teaching, are people persons who are adept at counseling and hand holding and socializing (three different things there) and who will work 80 hours a week for minimum pay and who refuse to delegate but do it all themselves? Sure, theyll get a real piece of work for a pastor now and again, but hes usually removed before the damage can escalate. Things are broken all over. So disheartening. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: Be Holy, for I am Holy! dementia. *looks skyward, whistles*. We need a place to exercise our gifts, and to receive those of others connected to the body and functioning. One reason that have always respected Billy Graham is because he knew that he was called to be an Evangelist not a Pastor. He has written several books, including Something Needs to Change and Radical. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. It is not my place to question Gods call on this mans life, but again, I have a lot of concerns about this. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. In what respects? This present darkness is not just doctrine, (Best to take a lk for yourself, before its too late), Spy If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. are picking whoever the replacement is rather than a pastoral search committee made up of actual members. I know many folks like me at Mclean. The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. Soon the hospital evidences a growing problem. Once heard a pastor bluster on the stage: When ya get called to the ministry, its like nothin ya ever experienced, why its life changin event! Didnt know any better back then in my youth, but today Id tell that pomposity everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance, and that fact that he thought it wise to mount a stage and puff about his in particular is a sign that he had no calling at all. This is odd to me. Something feels very wrong about this transition and I am less than overwhelmed by Platt. Oh, that we would prepare bread for our congregations and that the Holy Spirit would be present to illuminate the Bread! one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. We agree on this. 4). I was thrilled to learn when he left Brook Hills and I personally dont think he should be pastoring anywhere, frankly. A lot of replies sound speculative . (1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mvDQWOQ2iI, Every Challenge To Calvinism, Is A Heavenly Opportunity, All of heaven shall hear my cry, when Jesus returns, will there be faith upon the earth?, Spy I think there is more going on. But if somebody puts out substance I will sit on the pew and put money in the plate and forgive an awful lot to get it. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.". The response I had no right to ask to speak to the pastor, the pastor is a very busy man (busy doing what?) This money comes to you tax free, as you (unlike the rest of us Americans who dont have pastor or Reverend in front of our names) do not have to pay federal income tax on that portion. The interim setup is weird, the IMB Trustee statement is really weird, and the Platts have moved their kids to MBC. In oterh words, find a real church.. Theres very little Scripture in sermons. Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB : Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as He will never know the names of the members of his church. ___ That makes me sad. These friendships take years to cultivate. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. The Church is there to train us, teach us. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. Cant leave much time for family. Even during a famine, the lowly, needy, hungry lepers find bread in another camp (1 Kings 7:9) the presence of their enemies, and proclaim the Good News that will end the famine. Often, they are on the same track, preaching the same series, with a slightly different title for each series. As a former member of Brook Hills where David was once my pastor, I am concerned about this. My wife just got home from her evening shift & I put in overtime. Just suggesting we might try doing things His way if we want them to turn out well. We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. But then, I do suppose that the super-righteous could limit the crowd to only those who think alike-or like them or something, based on no room in the house. I dont know what triggered you to interpret have to have a man from my text. The ESS controversy is a great example, but there are more. Jimmy has a unique voice, to say the least, which has some fans even asking if he has a speech impediment or is hard of hearing. I try to use gender inclusive language, but I dont bend over backwards. If so, Im so sorry to hear it. I like the idea that, should I actually need real pastoral care at some point, it will be an option. We do need bread from heaven we live by the Word of God; it should come from the pulpit, but God can use anyone to bring forth a word, anywhere. And, I dont see church life as being an effective way to keep theologians from getting off-track. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? But we didnt expect him to know us all by name, succor us through the tough times of life, or somehow be there for us 24/7. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. This phrase lacks, IMHO, just a single e. @ ZechZav: Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB: Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as teaching pastor of McLean Bible Church while also continuing to lead the International Mission Board, Dilbeck said. Expenses run high in that stratosphere. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao Ezekiel 34 describes, unfortunately, false shepherds. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MdQINUBlPno Still, imperfect as it is, it is the dearest place on earth to us.. A church in my area was hosting some type of Coffee House service very late on Friday nights. It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. Guest speaker or consultant perhaps, but not a pastor. One time my former FIEC church had Don Carson come to preach and my friends were so excited by it. You never spoke a truer word. With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. I think the title of pastor has lost its meaning. Incidentally, that is. In fact, upon being appointed, Platt actually said, I now see the beauty of the CP. I wrote about it in the post. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? This lie is important. It shows that David Platt ignored the McLean Bible Church Constitution and then deliberately lied to the church about it. His actions disqualified himself as a pastor. Oh yeah-thats the guy who shows us how not to be crazy busy-now *pastor* of a lg church and seminary professor. thats totally awesome. Wow, thats a ridiculous number of roles hes taking on. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. But I could be mis-understanding you. I have a list of questions, maybe some information from the impacted group, a Reason for Outage, problem tickets and that sort of thing to work from, and I dont spend that much time. Heres one thats guaranteed to make my progressive brothers and sisters recoil in horror and get their boxers and panties in a dither every time: He makes a concerted effort to know peoples names. Worship is the response to a revelation of Who God is. Platt New! For whatever reason they didnt feel comfortable mixing with the common folk. Look to Him & His word and learn Honorable Little Christ'(tm) , share what youve learned with others, The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. Imagine how differently the church would impact the world if the money spent on buildings and salaries went to meeting needs? Conferences. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week, it could be the locale for after-school tutoring, teaching english, teaching vocational skills, job counseling, a place for performing arts, plays, concerts, meals served to homeless people. @ Bridget: I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. Being paid an honorarium for each sermon is not a salary so one wonders if this is all spin. I saw this with the vicar of an Anglican church I used to go to. I hope not. Hmmmis there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. If God is truly visible in our midst, we will not have to build bridges to the community; they will build them to us to get to God. @ Thersites: This type can be described as an unusual repetition of sounds or rhythm. And in most of these churches, members arent allowed to do much ministry either, because they have paid staff for that who make 4-10x more than the average member of the congregation. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. Uniformity of the product and driving down of the raw cost of goods is next on the agenda. One of the 16 books DeYoung has authored is titled Crazy Busy. DeYoung is eminently qualified to write on the subject. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. We gather together to worship the LORD and edify, exhort, and encourage on another (dont forget admonish and instruct). Now, does pastor osittin around need a person parsonage exemption up to 30% of his salary? Every eight years the denomination "requires it". How interesting would it be if someone at the UK conference asked Thabiti or one of the 9Marks reps why Mahaney was exempted from church discipline when others are subject to it? And no, I do not see in scripture where it says that we all have to be alike. Yes mission is important but it is the means, not the end. Free Ride: Please, No Explanations Inside The MBC Church. The real eternal issue before us is not some form of Calvinism, but Christ! @ Bridget: We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. I wouldt read too much into that experience. @ Tree: Dr. Platt would serve as Teaching Pastor, not Senior Pastor, he would not be involved in overall day-to-day leadership in the church, and he would not receive a salary for his role at MBC. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV Even if he does prep his own sermons . All believers do have access, yes. He wont sacrifice financially. As for the public gathering, God promises to be present where two or three are gathered. Bridget, He paid it lip service in the introduction, but did not believe it as a sign of health. You get character development, plot development and backstory. He became pastor-teacher at McLean Bible Church in 2017. David Platt to Be a Teaching PastorIs it a Bridge Too Far for the IMB President? Well, theyre not laughing now, are they? For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. I offer this link to Lon Solomons 2017 letter to the congregation where he announces stepping down as senior and teaching pastor. I wrote to one FIEC church elder who stocks books by Mahaney and he fobbed me off with I am busy at the moment I will look as time permits and that was over a year ago. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? We should do so, so the table is still valid, but so is the pulpit if governments/culture allows. My son is also in his prime (26) which certainly helps recovery. The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. In kinda scratching my head here. ___ Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? The Forgotten Mandate: Feed My Sheep or Putting Bread on the Table. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. Thats what our church family is for. I mean, they were so mad I have no doubt theyre trying to find me. I have read all his books and eagerly take notes from every sermon. If one then takes this approach and looks at a goodly number of other things in scripture which Christians argue about one finds a lot more leeway in scripture than apparently some folks want to tolerate in todays church culture and practice. Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. My problem with some of what is being said here is that the bible never says that it is a procedure manual for how to do church for cross-cultural purposes or for perpetuity or for that matter even in the first century. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ. i have a feeling it is an easy process. Its possible this man simply feigned interest in my mother hoping she would tell him that she would leave some $$$ to the church. Never did. Sorry you had to go through that, Hug. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? If we then love God we will/should obey God, or so Jesus said regarding himself. Out of that tent of meeting comes the grateful and loving response of worship and service. That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. Abandoning the Arnold Smartarse joke for a moment (! Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. The Tron, and others (some of which are known to me directly) are looking for the perfect church network. PHD student. Oh wow Lydia, now you are getting into the territory that my daughter was discovering when she was at school in Baltimore and dating an SGM man. In kind renumeration is not a salary as you mention. Even if he mostly avoids distractions from pesky parishioners and students, and mostly recycles and repackages his content, theres still unavoidable meeting time with the church staff who tend the flock, grad assistants who grade the papers, TGC comrades, researchers, editors, publishers etc. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. We should be supporting not admonishing! Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. Or to paraphrase Dilbert: Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. : > God so loved YOU that He sent His only Son, Jesus, that if YOU will believe in Him, YOU will not perish, but receive Gods eternal life. I am thinking that the success of megas is not just about celebrities, just judging from the success of the local mega. The Anyabwiles can draw a bigger crowd? Paul talks about the fellowship of His sufferings. @ Nick Bulbeck: I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. McLeanBible Church, originally nondenominational, isa recent member of the Southern Baptist Convention. I sincerely doubt that Platt has the mental acuity you have. Warning: Calvins ICR is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but a clever vicious lie smothering the life out of the Christian believer who seeks to embrace this incessant smoldering darkness. This is interesting. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? Anointed preaching/proclamation is a big part of this witness. Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. I dont have a problem with the word pastor being used for clergy. People want to belong, Sneak-Peek: R U Representing Christ, Perhaps?. Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Dont get me wrongI believe the Bible clearly gives the church a fair amount of temporal authority and does enjoin us to provide for folks temporal needs, be they material or emotional or whatever. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. I am preparing myself to disciple others. So, a bit of a frustrating afternoon/evening trying to instal jUnit on the Mac. Why do we all invariably say Ah, but you dont know my pastor, I love my pastor, hes different. Even assuming the best of him (or her), youre just flat asking for it when you set up any sort of king position that does not exist in the New Testament. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. And sadder yet many cant see it! The worth of something is predicated upon its cost. The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. Including Dallas Megas who delivered the vote in 2016. We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. My husband said something that has stuck with me the past few months. Being hired to spend your week writing sermons and you lie about it and let someone else write them. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. I know he did this purposely since they had all sorts of huge speakers in his church. Their national director promoted Thom Rainers miserable article on why pastors should not visit often which explains why the pastoral state of their churches was extremely poor when I attended. It has been assigned to any imaginable paid position in an institutional church. Perhaps he isnt really so committed to being radical? At the risk of opening up a rabbit-trail of dislike for Mr Warren, he is at any rate correct on this, and he lifts the lid on something that needs emphasising much more often than it currently is. (Cars, housing, funding for private schooling for his children, etc.). This promise indicates that God is present with the Body in a way He has not promised to the individual. This happens at my church too and it is lovely. 13. But I know I cant do that forever. Disclaimer: We have had a pastor/missionary in the family-by marriage-and I came close to getting fitted for an orange jump suit over that rascal. Its the wrong place for them and they ought to go out and look for a better fitnot quotes from the letter, but a general impression I have retained from reading that Mailbag article a few years ago. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. A lot of nonsense is talked about peoples fear of public speaking. their church planting efforts out of McLean. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. No science or study of created things compares to knowing Him in short, theology over sociology (social sciences or created things). Podcast in Person reminds me of the scary movie. I couldnt agree more. Throws a different light on things. That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. Jesus preached and taught at the temple, in the open air and in the home of Martha/Mary and Lazarus as well as in the synagogues and sent the seventy out to wherever they could get somebody to listen. I never really made it past the Introduction in the book 9 Marks of a Healthy Church because he did not include prayer in the 9 Marks. what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. Were Dones. But what exactly do these terms mean? This is not to say that valuable info cant be gained from the study of created things. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? Ones talents, skills, personality are all part of that, and you do not have to suddenly come out of your introvert cocoon to become an extrovert Pied Piper. But we have some in depth sunday school classes. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. Can someone explain to me how you can spend 20-25 hours a week preparing a sermon? With a seminary degree???? My impression is that these guys truly have no intention to get to know or love anyonethey only desire to lead! Yes, Hug. Good chance David Platt will not write much of those sermons. @ Jeffrey J Chalmers: I explain I can't do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. I have heard so much drivel from the pulpits over the years that they probably wont even have to use formaldehyde, or whatever, on my body; the drivel will be enough preservative. There might be potential liability issues should someone not a part of the church be injured on the premises, perhaps certain events wouldnt be covered under their policy, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the tax treatment of a 501(c)(3). He even had the nerve to say he was leaving the church in the best shape it had ever been in and its history! Thats another contemporary trend so why not ape it in the church? David Platt had disgraced us with his presence in the UK last year. Ive even seen multi-media pastor. Which is why (for me anyway) labels behave more like a fluid than a solid. You really ned to check out Twitter to get a better idea of what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. First, a general reason: God has always existed in relationshipthe loving relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. I tried real hard to laugh about it. They will be far better off knowing the Son of God. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. Didnt know why that put Okrapods named instead of TEDSgrad. Interesting, I always thought Platt was the dullard they sent on errands when they talked about the secret stuff. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. The salary thing is often a deflection. Balance is such a godly thing, and takes time and Im working on it. When I was in my former church, my husband, a friend and I led a Sunday school class that was well attended. He sounds like a driven man. Dont you dare tell me what to do unless you have a reason that I approve. Anointed proclamation shows that God speaks when all the idols of our culture are deaf and dumb. I recall attending a church where the congregation would share some testimony, praise, blessing, etc. The ecclesia, the called-out ones or faithful body of believers, is the Church separated unto the LORD. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? Whats up with this? Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. I think there is a place for leadership at these larger churches. Suffice to say, God desires a cleaned-up people group, where He can dwell in their midst. The Church is there to train us, teach us. They involve prep time, sometimes some fairly in-depth research and number crunching with a spreadsheet when I have to bring in a group to talk over why they have so many issues in a six month period or why their change requests failed more often than the average. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. I can remember on pastor in my lifetime that handled the role fairly well, but Ive known others who truly were pastors. it wasn't when we spent 10 years in inter city ministry and certainly not the 60 hour week my husband put in hoping on day his boss will finally honour his words and we can buy in to the company after using his name in a limited parntership where due to the financial mess of '08 we haven't seen a bit of profit but have had insurance go up 40 percent. The best theologians can go off track if left to themselves and their own view of scripture. 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