Both accused of being racists who will spark a race war. On the following day, Linda Kasabian once again drove a carload of killers around Los Angeles, finally dropping off Tex, Katie, and Leslie at the Labianca residence. Now you seem to be hating on John McCain who enlisted, was shot down, and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton. YOu can say she is certainly flawed, self-destructive, has terrible judgement and suchbut applying terms like good and bad just distorts any understanding of the whole shebang. Lots of Hippies were thought of as people that stole, didn't work, openly espoused drugs, were anti authority and anti establishment, sponged, dropped children all over the place and exposed their kids to things no child should even be aware of. Granted, the residents could be difficult and particularly nasty to those that were not English {ie, most of them} but they can't all have been 'off' days ! When he sends Gypsy & Squeaky to Leslie, even though she's implicated him in the murders and helter skeltered all over the shop, she declares she'll do anything he says and doesn't care if she sniffs gas and what she told Marvin Part is never made public {until 2015}. However, she purposely knocked on the wrong door due to which the mission was aborted. There are multiple times where her testimony is not supported by the physical (objective) evidence. It's not a fair or valuable trait to have.we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness standThat makes good sense and allows for nuances. The term Helter Skelter was taken from the Beatles White Album song of the same name. Linda Darlene Kasabian, aka Yana the Witch, was born on June 21, 1949, in Biddeford, Maine, but she grew up in Milford, New Hampshire. I think after I began to beleive it was extraordinarily difficult to connect Tate and LaBianca on any other theory you are sort of left with HS or something like it. If Manson was the God to these people and everyone else was disposable. It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. Not only that, she said she had to go get it from Squeaky and Charlie, if it were not true, would he have remained quiet about it ? ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? Grim, I love you to death and read everything you post but you have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficult. Over here in England, working as a care assistant in a home for the elderly is not really seen as particularly caring work much of the time, it's often seen as a job anyone can do that wants to earn definite {low} money and the overwhelming majority of care workers I've known have not been native to these shores. Millie McCormack. With all the mania going on, Susan's statement of "everything we did from the time he cut the poles to the time we got back to the ranch was spontaneous. are with us in spirit if not in direct alliance. Or for that matter, totally good.quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. He admits things now but this is not "incarceration '69/70. They had a second child together, and Robert Kasabian left for South America. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. I stand by the observation that no one is totally bad. The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. So if Kasabian stumbles on what he wants and says they arrived at the Polanski residence "4-5 hours after dark". And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. I wonder if he and Fleischmann were on friendly terms.. Saint, If you are referring to that post above, I think that is entirely consistent with HS. At one point he actually criticizes one of the defence lawyers for calling a witness without having spoken to them.I thought all lawyers know what they want those that matter to hear ! He also said that what was needed was corroboration and that it didn't really matter who ended up as the star witness.It's true that he had little to no case against Leslie at that point, but Diane Lake changed that forever. Leslie Van Houten, 19, pleaded innocent to the murder of Mr. and Mrs. Leno LaBianca. But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. Leslie told Marvin Part there were to be 2 death squads. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library cardIt's not the only possible explanation. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. Grim, Ok, but quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. Its been awhile but I think I recall she said she took his wallet. A major opportunity to show the jury that the star witness is a bloody liar ? Dreath, pleased to make your acquaintance. I thought Lake Victoria was the source of denial, but it appears to be somewhere in New Hampshire.Mother Kasabian is one of those people who live in a vacuum, in some freaky parallel universe.Linda didn't make a binary change to 16 year old, dropout, and rogue's bride as characterized. What if she wouldn't have testified? RH: Maybe like this?1. Thing is though, it can be hard to spot or be conclusive at the time because it feels kind of heavy to assume a child or teenager is on the road to ruin due to things they might have done or be doing that haven't yet bloomed into something that everyone holds their heads in their hands about.That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet..Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled seniorI don't think you were being any more cynical than anyone else gets when discussing Mrs K and I don't think she was a nursing home aide out of some strong desire to replicate Florence Nightingale. I don't remember did she show a license or maybe she didn't even have one to show? Hardly surprising given the dramatic nature of the cast of characters. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. Always was. Fleischmann's words are logical. The couple had a daughter named Tanya who was born in 1968. Linda Kasabian; however, stuck to her testimony. Dreath saidBut wait a minute Grim, Atkins never mentions this event to the Grand Jury, not a wordThere are a number of things that don't get mentioned to the Grand Jury but she mentions a few times the confusion that was afoot and let's face it, she wasn't a reporter on the scene taking in every little detail. That's the point lol. Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witness and helping her knock Atkins out of the box. Goddamn I am tripping back to like 1998. Low level of intelligence: Blanket judging others as having a low level of intelligence because they don't agree with you on your low intellect, racist ideas.Manson Mythos, Obama is:Community organizerAttorneyConstitutional law professorState SenatorUS SenatorPOTUSNobel LaureateManson Mythos:Angry racist moron. I give Linda credit for one thing. How do you know it would have been a black service member? She was the angel in a group of murderous devilsWhen it came to killing, she was, different. // -->,